DE Shaving - Where am I going wrong?

Take a cue from S. Holmes: If you've eliminated all the possibles, then you are left with the improbables. It appears to be too much pressure, or a soap that is irritating your skin. Or, it could be God's way of telling you, "You're too young to shave, whippersnapper!"
 
Thanks guys. I'm using the plastic Wilkinson Sword Classic i.e the one that shaving forums describe as being ultra mild but it's still giving me huge red rashes on the cheeks even with WTG passes. I'd probably manage to decapitate myself with a straight razor so that isn't an option right now.
The best razor for sensitive skin imo is Wilkinson Sword Xtreme 3 Sensitive.Can be bought in packs of four or eight & each disposable razor lasts several shaves.I use them on my head when I'm not in the mood to use a straight.
 
Well, the OP mentioned issues high on the cheeks and the chin...the chin can be difficult to negotiate angle wise to start with but the cheeks should be fairly straight forward especially if he can shave his neck irritation free so I'm not laying the blame with the blade perhaps a lack of concentration, practice and technique. Your issue is if I can take a punt and looking at your pic could be you're trying to shave up to the boundary of your tach but you can't effectively do it with a wtg pass and the other types of passes give you issues or borderline issues, not sure I'd bother but the best thing for that might actually be a straight razor/shavette where you could still shave beneath the tache with wtg pass.

With tache or without it's pretty much the same and has been since I started shaving. Learning how to shave and using a DE means it the most comfortable it's ever been but still not irritation free. Neck and mid cheek used to be sticking points but the right tools and technique have resolved those problems, so I do agree you have to concentrate on that. I think like learning that shaving is beard reduction not eradication you sometimes have to accept some bits are about irritation reduction rather than elimination.The friendly mutton chops I'm presently growing in means I don't have to worry for the time being, which is nice.
 
What you need is a more aggressive razor, your compensating for the razor being mild,

I couldn't shave everyday with a DE89,

Try a Merkur 37c and a Nacet, you will soon learn to put no pressure on the razor, you can probably get away with only shaving with the grain, as its more efficient than the 89 without being over aggressive

The more sensitive the skin, the more goldilocks you need the razor,

Just my opinion of course.
 
I agree with Fuzzyian. Could well be a lot to do with razor choice. I like a moderately aggressive razor with a nice sharp blade. The EJ DE89 was too mild for my liking and the Wilky Classic you're using waaaaay too mild. Overly mild, especially with newbie technique, can result in irritation and weepers. As well as technique a huge amount depends on what suits your beard and skin type. I have plenty of middle age wiry beard and somewhat sensitive skin and find that, for DEs, open combs suit me best. As soon as I tried a Gillette New the DE89 was redundant. I also get a much much better more comfortable shave if I avoid shaving every day. Every other day or less suits me fine. If I absolutely had to shave every day then I'd go for an aggressive razor design that allowed me to get close enough from one pass + touch ups...something like an open comb double slant. Yes, a more aggressive razor can be a friend to sensitive skin, especially if you've got a heavy beard.
 
The problem with the WS razor is it's light so despite being mild you need a delicate touch which it sounds like respectfully you haven't developed yet. If you use a razor with a bit of heft it's actually easier to apply "no pressure" by allowing the razor head to lean against the skin, that way all you really need to do is make sure the correct angle is maintained.
 
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Looking back it took me 6 months to get a consistent degree of success with DE shaving. It takes a while to get an almost instinctive feel for angle & pressure. Have a few days off and go back. Take your time & it will come. I'm four years in now & I still have the odd terrible shave. That's part of the attraction for me.
Perseverance will be rewarded

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Thanks everyone. I've let my face rest for a few days so I'm ready for another go tonight.

With apologies for butting in here (I won't overstay my welcome, I promise) but I spotted two references to the word "Feather" in different posts, above. One was where you said you'd pick up an AS-D2 Feather later and another where you were advised against using Feather blades. And it occurs to me that there might have been a bit of "crossed wires" there.

My firmly held view regarding the AS-D2 stainless steel, Japanese made, DE razor is that you would do well to HOLD OFF forking out for one of those. At least, not at the moment. Yes I had one. Yes I initially I talked myself into thinking I liked it (having spent all that money on it) ... but the fact of the matter is it isn't easy to get a close shave with it (it is REALLY mild) and in consequence you end up hacking away at your face in order to achieve some sort of result and finish up with the worst of all worlds. It's looks lovely and it's beautifully made. But to get one would, in my estimation, be wrong for you at the moment (and probably ever).

The other reference to the "F" word relates to the blade. In short, do yourself a favour and give Feather blades a wide berth at the moment (and perhaps ever). There are countless better and cheaper blades for someone in your position. An Astra blade is a great place to start, as is a Polsilver Super Iridium or a Green Gillette. There's loads of better options than a Feather blade (better for you, that is).

Loads of good advice here so I won't trot out a repeat of what you now know. But it's possible that something you're putting on your face doesn't agree with you so use a process of elimination to discount that.

A good pre-shave soak with, perhaps a balm or something smooth, soothing and pleasant, maybe some simple oil before you shave (there are a million options there, don't get me started - but ask if you want to) a medium aggressive razor (Merkur 37C or 34C for example) and a sensible blade - only used for, say, a maximum four times before ditching it. A reasonable shaving soap or cream... doesn't have to be anything fancy.... you can get a fine lather with Palmolive cream for £1.79. And then a slow, steady three pass shave with a good mirror (maybe a magnifying one) in good light followed by a cold water rinse and some sort of balm or cream or sensible, reasonably priced after-shave (Nivea Men Post Shave Balm is great and cheap and could be all you'll ever need). And all you need then is a splash of Encre Noir by Lalique and you're ready to go.

Good luck (but you won't need it now you're sorted :)).

And I forgot to say you don't have to spend £150 on a shaving brush. Yes most of us here have over-spent on badger brushes but there are at least half a dozen excellent synthetic brushes that would work perfectly well. You haven't got to have a badger. I have both but could easily live with a Jagger or Muhle or Razorock Plisson synthetic 23mm brush. Honestly!
 
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Thanks DevonStan. I already have several brushes and all kinds of top-notch creams and soaps. I've been wet-shaving with twin and three blades carts (Contour, Sensor Excel) and brush and soap for about two years now. It's just the DE aspect that I struggle with. The Feather blades I think I tried once and that was more than enough to find out that they're over the top sharp feeling and harsh on the face.

I have owned the Feather AS-D2 razor before and used with blades like the Gillette Silver Blues and Personna Med Preps. I don't remember having this level of irritation from the AS-D2 but I do remember it being very finicky with angle and I think I just gave up and went back to the easy, lazy option of a cart shave. A Sensor Excel, Plisson Synthetic and a bit of Wickhams Russian Leather makes for a very nice shave indeed :)

I'm thinking of trying the AS-D2 again once funds allow at the end of the month. Worst comes to worst I can just flip it on the BST and lose a few quid. If I do go for it I'll commit to maybe three months to give it a fair shot this time around.
 
Right you are then. Maybe there's not a lot more to be covered? You've done just about as much as you could, by the sound of it.

I used a Sensor and Sensor Excel, or similar, all my working life and seemed to get by. Never cut my face in all those years. Now I do get the odd spot of blood using a DE but find that the added pleasure of the whole experience is worth it. Only once or twice have I had a poor reaction with redness and discomfort... once it was due to using a Catie's Bubbles LPV soap that had something in it that disagreed with me, and another time it was a combination of the wrong razor/blade/soap combination plus my fault for trying to get too close a shave and simply getting it all wrong. But if you have all the gear and a good bit of experience behind you and it's not going right then maybe it's gone as far as it can.

All the best.
 
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Well, that was strange. I shaved earlier with a Parker 96R rip-off that I bought for a few quid on eBay and the shave...wasn't terrible. Did two WTG passes with a Personna Platinum and Vulfix Lavender cream and the shave was quite a bit smoother than the Wilkinson Sword Classic I've been struggling with. My skin is still irritated from all the terrible shaves I've had recently but it's noticeably less red tonight and the aftershave barely stung at all.

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Just a quickie as all the lads seem to have offered you excellent advise already. Why not keep your money in your pocket Re the Feather razor and just buy a cheap Gillette Tech. It's the same razor basically. Just as mild and forgiving but at usually around the £20 mark for a very good example it'll shave you as well as the Feather and keep your bank balance healthier to boot. I'd pair it with a Voskhod blade for the epitome of smooth. If you are still getting redness with this combo then I'd say something else is causing the redness. Probably an ingredient in your soap or balm.
 
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