I'm amazed when I look back,I was 17 when I started shaving and sometimes I used to shave a 3,4 day stubble in one ATG pass then some aftershave splash!I'm sure we all have a story to tell.Shaving against the grain is just not possible for some people including myself(regardless of good lather and gentle strokes).Sometimes I wish I could do it and have that real smooth shave,but hey,you can't have everything