Are your children being finger printed at school??

[SmallBeard]

We might be heading towards a police state but at least we'll all get gorgeous coffee...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0041DIWZM/ref=tsm_1_fb_s_uk_mlp850

Haha! That's brilliant. If the fingerprint doesn't match is there a hole that shoots boiling hot water into the impostors face?

 

[Lose the beard]

I'm fingerprinted, DNA sample taken, all kept on file and readily accessible by any government body who would wish to gain access to it. It had to be done for a previous job.

I have no problem with this, everyone living legally on this island shouldn't.

Worried about finger printing eh, anyone use a fuel reward card, carry a mobile phone, drive their car around any of the major cities or between them, carry an Oyster card, use the Internet too name a few.

Very true, actually. We are basically being tracked wherever we go, and whatever we do. It's just part of life nowadays.

I'm not convinced being tracked I the correct word. Being tracked suggests somebody is making an effort to follow your every move to either find you or find something out about you.

What we are doing these days is leave a lot more footprints and clues lying around so if somebody wanted to track us it would be a whole lot easier for them, provided that they have the relevant authority to gain access to the clues we have left behind.

There are some very strict laws in this country around control of personal data, and all these footprints you leave behind from your mobile phone, internet usage, credit card usage etc.. have to be held securely and can only be released based on a court order, (or of course if someone hacks into the system ).

Personally I don't have a problem leaving clues lying around all over the place, I do not intend on doing anything that should mean anyone needs to start tracking me. There are plenty of people who are of far more interest to the authorities than lowly old me

 

[SmallBeard]

I'm fingerprinted, DNA sample taken, all kept on file and readily accessible by any government body who would wish to gain access to it. It had to be done for a previous job.

I have no problem with this, everyone living legally on this island shouldn't.

Worried about finger printing eh, anyone use a fuel reward card, carry a mobile phone, drive their car around any of the major cities or between them, carry an Oyster card, use the Internet too name a few.

Very true, actually. We are basically being tracked wherever we go, and whatever we do. It's just part of life nowadays.

I'm not convinced being tracked I the correct word. Being tracked suggests somebody is making an effort to follow your every move to either find you or find something out about you.

What we are doing these days is leave a lot more footprints and clues lying around so if somebody wanted to track us it would be a whole lot easier for them, provided that they have the relevant authority to gain access to the clues we have left behind.

There are some very strict laws in this country around control of personal data, and all these footprints you leave behind from your mobile phone, internet usage, credit card usage etc.. have to be held securely and can only be released based on a court order, (or of course if someone hacks into the system ).

Personally I don't have a problem leaving clues lying around all over the place, I do not intend on doing anything that should mean anyone needs to start tracking me. There are plenty of people who are of far more interest to the authorities than lowly old me

Sorry, wrong choice of words on my part.

The internet though, I've been reading threads on here, and a while back there was some Creed aftershave for sale on the BST. Since then, there's been a little bloody Creed advert pretty much wherever I go on the internet. Putting me right off my porn! Hehe.

Been looking for new cars, and now there's a little ad at the top of this page about buying a new van. I think that's where I thought of 'trackers' from.

 

[joe mcclaine]

LTB is right about gaining access to personal info.

It's what I do for a living and things are very strict.

As for the 'ads' all I see is one asking me if I want to buy a 15" black rubber cock and another for some industrial-grade nipple clamps.

 

[Count of Undolpho]

I maintain some reservations about the "I have no problem with this, everyone living legally on this island shouldn't." it sort of goes with the "if you aren't a criminal you shouldn't mind".
When being stop searched (I had Dreads) with similar being said, my reply of "So you won't mind if I go through your pockets then?" didn't go down to well.
Unfortunately it presupposes that all the powers that be are benign and incorruptible and will not abuse their powers. Either on an individual or institutional or even State level the information can easily be misused.

After living in Yorkshire during the Miners strike, the aftermath of the Battle of the Beanfields and listening to the recent Hillsborough coverage, I'm not entirely convinced.

 

[SoapAlchemist]

Well, I have to say I'm surprised at how blasé so many people are about this. I don't have anything to hide, but I don't want anyone having my finger prints. I totally agree with the Count; I don't presume that the powers that be are always benevolent.

 

[JohnnyO]

Not sure that my "innocence" means I'm not entitled to be concerned about my need to prove my identity or have it on record as a routine matter.
My personal guess is that the system will operate just fine with the ordinary relatively law abiding, however I'll start to believe in the efficacy of data bases for large sections of the populace when I see travellers taxing & insuring their vehicles. Until then, for me, fingerprinting children is just another expansion of T. Bliar's citiizen data base mentality which treats individuals as units of the state to be collated and checked on by government & local authority agencies.
(& yes, I am paranoid enough to be unhappy with Mr. Salmond's brave new single Police and Fire services).
Since Vinny (not Joe) has mislaid his tinfoil hat I guess there's no use my asking for a loan of it until my medications kick in !

Johnny (You're just jealous 'cause the voices chose my head instead of yours) O. \:icon_razz:

 

[Tall_Paul]

We use biometrics at our school for the kids to put lunch money on their accounts. I think it's pretty commonplace (stops them losing or destroying cards).

I can assure you all that our database of fingerprints is used for no nefarious activity whatsoever (and, being IT Manager, I would know about it if it was!)

 

[UKRob]

Well, I have to say I'm surprised at how blasé so many people are about this. I don't have anything to hide, but I don't want anyone having my finger prints. I totally agree with the Count; I don't presume that the powers that be are always benevolent.

So instead of being paranoid about some 'powers that be' - answer my question - where is the state involved in the original examples of school and work?

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After living in Yorkshire during the Miners strike, the aftermath of the Battle of the Beanfields and listening to the recent Hillsborough coverage, I'm not entirely convinced.

And having lived in Birmingham during the IRA bombing campaign I'm actually glad that the 'powers that be' seem to have a better handle on terrorist activities nowadays.

 

[Northam Saint]

We use biometrics at our school for the kids to put lunch money on their accounts. I think it's pretty commonplace (stops them losing or destroying cards).

I can assure you all that our database of fingerprints is used for no nefarious activity whatsoever (and, being IT Manager, I would know about it if it was!)

Stops them "losing" money too. We can even charge my sons account from home.

I'm all in favour of card id's, it would help with card fraud if you needed to show it in a shop.

 

[GOLDCREST]

I'm with you on this Sharon...Its an insidious erosion of our human rights as far as I'm concerned...and paving the way for a police state........ Its alright to say "if you've done nothing wrong you shouldn't have a problem with this"...BUT...can we really trust the people in "Power"..I would say NOT, if there is one category of people who cannot be trusted with this information, it is the civil service and politicians...who if you remember lost very personal information on disc, for thousands of people just a year or two ago,and not for the first time...nor will it be the last.

I was actually told a few years ago, by someone who shall be nameless, that anyone who has had a bloodtest, has had their DNA automatically stored on a government computer somewhere...wether thats true I leave up to you to decide..But it sounds about right to me...........conspiracy theorist................maybe.

And as for ID cards and Implant chips..remember that anything man can create..man can re-create..or in the case of implanted micro chips..re-programme...and they don't take long to re-programme either.......Think of having your dogs personal information on micro chip changed at the vets....it doesn't take long does it?

 

[chrisbell]

I think if I saw evidence of someone being remotely tracked for no good reason (in the manner of John's US news story) I'd be of the opinion that it was going too far, but biometrics don't bother me in the slightest. I'm not especially trusting of anyone, let alone politicians and senior civil servants, but I don't get the idea that they can cause havoc by having our fingerprints on store somewhere; given that the Police have umpteen thousands of sets of fingerprints in store you'd expect every other conviction to be erroneous thanks to Detective Sergeant Stalin switching the unidentifiable prints at the crime scene for a random set from the archives.

 

[UKRob]

I was actually told a few years ago, by someone who shall be nameless, that anyone who has had a bloodtest, has had their DNA automatically stored on a government computer somewhere...wether thats true I leave up to you to decide..But it sounds about right to me...........conspiracy theorist................maybe.

I was told a few years ago that Father Christmas existed - I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now.

 

[Walkers]

My human rights are not affected by anyone having my fingerprints! I can come and go as I please! Sometimes people lose sight of the bigger picture, if I can live a 'safer' life with CCTV everywhere, all my details recorded and my fingerprints on file then so be it. It won't stop me doing anything I want to do so I don't see how that has any bearing on my human rights.

 

[Bechet]

What frightens me the most is that with dinner money finger-printing, the kids are become accepting of, accustomed to, unquestioning in later life when Big Brother breathes down their necks, wanting all manner of personal data the State has no real need of.

Of ID Cards: I have no objection to photo, name and address cards. Beyond that, the State can GTF. Nothing to worry about if you are honest/innocent? With all my personal data on a State run computer? A British State run computer? You'd either need to worry at top level because of the mix-ups or campaign to stop them throwing more good money after bad.

 

[SoapAlchemist]

I totally agree with all you say Bechet; and if ID cards were to be introduced, the whole school thing would make it much easier for the govt. to persuade the public that as all these finger prints are already stored, they might as well be transferred to the ID cards.