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Be nice to each other chaps
lloydedwards said:How wonderful to share a thread with some intellectual giants. Perhaps I'll learn something about irony.
I'm having real dificulty understanding some of the hatred against someone guilty of inciting hatred, and my grey cells struggle with the rationale of sending someone accused of kidnap, conspiracy to extrajudicial killing and religious hatred to a country that freely and openly currently commits and condones this behaviour.
I could understand it coming from Ayn Rand quoting neocons, but from some people who appear to confuse Magna Carta with Magners, it isn't political debate.
Try reading about Syed Fahad Hashmi, then the whole mantra of "if you do nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear" wringing of hands, is what it's always been, a licence to lynchings.
I'm no "liberal bleeding heart", but wars and prisons for profit?
Emperors new clothes anyone, or a few hectares of swampland?
Just like communist dictators really. Current neocon aims are VERY similar to Marxism, just a diferent criminal gang in charge.
Maybe I should try putting some Molotov cocktails in the "Buy/Sell/Trade??!! Anyone?
love'n'joy
Lloyd
lloydedwards said:There seems to be a VERY blinkered, uninformed view of the US prison ststem, and UKs for that matter. Before the privatisations, Prisons were a part of the penal system, now largely in name only, they are profit centres. Not serving the public good, but profitting the very few.
lloydedwards said:It should be for the Courts to sentence, not G4S, Serco etc.
lloydedwards said:As for legal system, we now have the first unqualified (uninformed, uneducated?) Lord Chancellor in 1400 years. In a few months the poor will have no access to the Law for financial or housing issues, unless a well conneceted pro-bono can be found.
lloydedwards said:Tory voters should be locked up for Treason, selling the State at bargain prices to a small circle of largely non-nationals.
Labour, Lib Dem, Green, UKIP, NF voters should be incarcerated for being deluded.
Most importantly, anyone who doesn't vote should be taxed at 98% on all assets and income.
lloydedwards said:A rant, I know, but how can we discuss these matters when it depends on what newspaper owners vested interest tainted the story you read? At school 40 years ago we cut out the "same" story from each newspaper. As you can imagine, totally nonsensical if read together.
lloydedwards said:NB IF there had been a strong legal case against Hamsa etc, rather than "outrage", they would have faced Justiice many, many years ago, unless they were 'agents of the state', in which case they would get a large pension from public funds. Perhaps the truth isn't black and white!
lloydedwards said:Who on Earth believes that anyone is stripped of bigotted views in the USA.
lloydedwards said:Sunburyboy93 - I like the hanger, but no way could I look at that every day! Call that a shave!!!!
Richard, you quite clearly didn't wiki or google Syed Fahad Hashmi - imagine that he was your son. Or is your mind so made up that no amount of fact could interfere? Your rant reminds me of the Chris Rocks "Niggas Vs. Black People" routine - working for our families is what we are supposed to do!
I've re-read this thread from start to finish. Far too many non-sequiturs. Far too many examples of Poea Law, not made easier by previous animosity against emoticons.
If anyone is unaware, UK & US legal system is Gladitorial, Europe is Inquisitorial, the media are masterful at manipulation of this. Essentially the ECHR only rules that a country has followed ITS OWN LAWS when dealing with a case. Plenty of evidence the UK executive hasn't/doesn't, including the old chestnut (anothger thread!!) "Justice delayed is Justice denied".
ChrisBell - a lifetimes work there ! Read a Syed Fahad Hashmi piece please, won't answer all but will give you an idea where I'm coming from. This at a time the US defends an Islam hating video as free-speech, and fundemental Christians want a holy war to bring about Nirvana or whatever.
As for " Who do you suggest I vote for?".
I thought I argued (badly?), voting should be compulsory, and you would need to bother finding out what you were voting for, and those who try to buy all sides eg investing large amounts in more than one party would be seen for what they are. Eg RBS, BP in the US FFS!
Finally, for the "foreign" "europe" etc arguements, are you aware who are behind much of the "defense"? Karl Watkin, the British businessman who has been campaigning to have the men tried in Britain rather than America, said he was "extremely frustrated but not at all surprised"" by the verdict but condemned the UK legal system. "I have no regrets over pursuing a private prosecution - it was the right thing to do. No ifs, no buts - British citizens should be tried in Britain for crimes perpetrated in Britain and in circumstances where the evidence is found in Britain." He believed he weas protecting his family, not any individual.
love'n'joy
Lloyd
PS "love'n'joy" comes from an old Pete Boggs poem. I've used it 20yrs+. There is irony in the poem too, but much love to enjoy also.
Need 6 of 2balls, I'm off before I collapse.
should read Poes Law
lloydedwards said:Christopher Tappin
Gary McKinnon
Richard O'Dwyer
06 August, 2012
Almost immediately after the shooting at the Sikh Temple in Wisconsin, leaders of the Westboro Baptist Church took to Twitter, calling the shooting a beautiful punishment from an angry God.
lloydedwards said:The shooting claimed the lives of seven victims, and left many injured. The alleged attacker Wade Michael Page was found dead at the scene and the FBI is investigating if this is a case of domestic terrorism.
Count of Undolpho said:Chrisbell have a search for "Ricin the plot that never was".